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Q: If you could describe your mother physically and also just a general sense of her ...

Q: Can you talk about um her playing the piano -- can you give us a sense of how you mentioned she used to teach at (unintel) and other ...

Q: ... you can say ... you can say my mother ...

Q: start over ...

sounds like that I don't know but uh ... yeah AC 5217 she played the piano often ... the songs that she uh taught us in French was um ... there was a song ... a bedtime song like a birdie with yellow bills hopped up on my windowsill and we used to be able to ... she taught us that in French. I don't think one member of my family can say it now in French. I can't say it.

Q: And I'm gone ask you just one more time to ... to give me a description and don't even mention Chinai(?) YOUR NINE but a description of your mother ..

Q: If you could talk about how she thinks ... you don't mention Chinai(?) YOUR NINE but ...

... seems like I can always remember her fending for herself um, seemingly most of the AC 5309 people that came into her faith(?) face that she had to fend were men ... they were men that she had either rented garden space to or had some controlling interest somewhere and um, she um always had to take her stand ... always had to make her point. I can remember her being very, very stern and very much a lady but always fending for herself as they say.

Q: And can you talk about Malcolm. Can you give me a description as you saw as his nine- year old baby sister -- how did he seem to you?

like Malcolm was always ... always talking ... always telling a story ... you know he AC 5409 really knew how to hold your interest. 5415]]

Q: And you had a story about tagging along behind and he's surprised 'cause you could keep up with him. Can you tell the story?

him, he looked back and it was almost his whole countenance changed. He was so happy AC 5494 and so proud that I could keep up with him that it got to be ... he kept on and we ran, we ran and ran. And he started laughing and it was ... from then on it was a game. And he used to do that all the time. He'd come come me say, "OK, Vonnie, let's ... " and he'd take my hand. So, consequently, as a result, I learned to have a very ... I was like a track star. But I ... and every time 5523 I ran and run a ra-, ran and won a race I thought about Malcolm. Um, I ... I attribute that ... my skills to him.

Q: You also had a very nice story about um working in the fields -- and if you cold talk about working the fields ...

fields to work and so ... and we did. Um, [[5577 Malcolm I think was kind of our overseer. I AC 5579 don't know. But Malcolm would get us ta-, he would start talking and we would get work ... we would start working and as we worked ]]... I remember ... I can't ... I've thought about this over the years ... Malcolm ... I can remember Malcolm laying under a tree with a straw in his mouth and we were just working and were just happy to be around so that Malcolm was telling these stories ]-- but we were so happy to be around him, that we 5613 worked and Malcolm was using psychology and we didn't realize it. 5022]

Q: Now, um, let me stop for a second ... um, I'm gone go to ... uh, did you see a change in your mother after your father died?

lot. Now the presence of my father was felt because my brothers and sisters would always AC 5673 talk ... my sister would always talk about Dad this, and Dad that ... so his absence was ... he ... he was still present because they would tell stories or they would relate things back and forth to my mother ... um ... ...

Q: (unintel) for a second ... um let me ask you rather um, to give me that sense of the (unintel) walk-, walking um ... working with your mother.

we heard snap, snap and um ... uh pret-, and we didn't think anything of it. We did ... I AC 5759 did see a man go back to a car with a long rifle and he put it in the the trailer and he drove off. Well pretty soon my mother and I came around the side of the house and the dog was laying dead on the ground, and my mother picked him up and looked at it and said he had been shot 'cause he was bleeding from the mouth. And the man came right into the yard, right beside the house and shot the dog. 5792] We had a dog named Chum and he was 5795 tied, so he certainly wasn't bothering anybody's you know animals, cows or anything. He went right into the yard and shot him.

Q: Can you also talk about um, the furniture um and the fact that they ...

the company ... I'll call their name Jerry Rowe Company came up to the house and took AC 5849 all the furniture out ... not ... wasn't all the furniture ... they took all of her new bedroom furniture out, and she kept raisin' she said I have paid this, I have the receipt. The man would not listen. She said, I have the receipt, that bill is paid. So they hauled all the furniture out of the house, into this truck and take it away and she had to get dressed, get her receipt and the next day she waited and went down there. 5886 Now, the neighbors saw all this furniture leave right? Now how many of them saw it come back? They saw Mrs. Little get her furniture taken away, but they didn't know that that furniture was paid for -- they apologized but look what they put her through. And she ... it was continually AC 5912 going through those little harassments by somebody for some reason.

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Q: OK, what effect did having ... having to take the widow's pension have on your mother?

rent garden space. Uh, we had a dump behind AC 6039 our house. She rented that out. So she knew how to make good money. And um, she never developed a winpere... welfare mentality. 6053]] Uh, and uh, she you know she seemed to fought all the way to always ... you know I can remember her having furs and nice clothes, but she earned the money for those things. She she sewed e-, extremely well. She sewed for other people. And uh, that's how she made her money.

Q: OK, um, now let me ask you again if um ...

Q: OK, um, what effect did um the pregnancy uh with Robert have on your mother? And if you could tell me the stories around him ...

Q: Basically ... what ...

Q: OK, can you talk about um the circumstances surrounding your mother's pregnancy?

Q: And the way you started was great.

Q: OK, fine, can you tell me the circumstances surrounding your mother's pregnancy with Robert?

Q: And talk now about your mother going to Kalamazoo -- how do you feel when she ...

you know ... she was gone be ... she was gone get better -- come right back home -- and it AC 6417 turned into years -- and that was because the family was split up.] But [ Wilfred and Hilda took care of us for I think it was almost a year -- discipline -- food uh, we didn't pull I didn't pull any punches with them. But um, they were groomed to take care us and did a good job. They were the mother and father of that house. And why then uh ... I don't really know what happened why the authorities 6456 came in but we were there almost a year alone. 6462]]

Q: And when you talk about the welfare authorities hassling -- what kinds of things would they do? Do you know?

after they came and left my mother was ... I mean while they were there she would not ... we were not home ... I mean she would send us AC 6508 off out into the fields or send us out to play because apparently she didn't want us to be ... le-, to know what was happening. And um, uh, but she was always upset when they left. And I heard her accusing them of setting ... I heard her ... ther-, accusing them of putting her in that position, setting her up um, she ... everything that she was 6541 always saying you know what you're doing to me. It was like you know what you're doing to me. And I don't know what that was other than she felt they were doing ... they were harassing her, they were doing something to her. 6562]]

Q: OK, I'm also gone ask you um, in terms of what Malcolm and (unintel) are doing at this point ... and Hilda ... our mother and fa-,

Q: I'm sorry if you could say ...

Q: If you could um again say Hi-, um, the them being Philbert and Malcolm?

Q: Talk also about how it feels to see this strong family suddenly torn apart like this ... you mentioned ...

there's ... there's nothing worse than that because even though I went to a good home, AC 6794 uh, splitting up of the family, eight children and now you're all going different directions 6803]] and ... the-, over the years I've looked and there was no need for that ... they ... we could have stayed there ... we were doing OK. But I asked my sister not long ago, why? You know why us? Why did they do that? And [[6825 my mother when we'd go to Kalamazoo, she'd say, I've got to get back to that ... I've gotta get out of here. She 6834 says I have a feeling they're going to take my land. She said, I always love that tract of land. And they want it. And they will take. And they took it. 6851]]

Q: Since you're talking about that -- can you talk about um what that was about? What was the taking of the land? What did it seem like ...

things wouldn't have happened if we could have stayed together as a family because now AC 6884 here's eight children if we had stayed together and pulled together, we could have made a difference because we would know what the other one was doing and thinking but by splitting us all up where two are in Detroit ... by then you know ... two ... everybody's everywhere and there were only two young ones um in the home uh, we had all grown up, I'm sorry we had all grown up and um, there was no way of saving the land because when we expressed an interest in getting my mother out of Kalamaoutzoo uh to put her ... that was going to be the saving grace ... to put her back ... get her back in that house OK ...

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Q: OK, could you tell me again how ...

have feelings but to this day we have never individual ... or never gotten together and AC 7626 talked about our pain. And I know I had it ... and I know how strong it was. And I know that they had it. 7637]]

Q: Talk also about the land and how important it was to your mother ...

we kept the taxes paid and um ... I remember going down to um ... when they said they were going to take her ... demanded eighteen- AC 7718 thousand five hu-, a letter came um, my husband and I were gone get it and they said they wanted eighteen ... we were gone get my mother out and put her back in there because this what was gone be the saving grace for that land. And they sent us a letter telling us that we had to pay eighteen-thousand fiv- hundred dollars for her stay in Kalamazoo and I went to the courthouse and talked to the 7753 guy and I said this is unfair. I said you take a man, send him to prison, pay for his family, take care of his family, take care of ... pay his rent, and when he comes out what he has is his. And then you take a woman, you say mentally-incompetent and then she ... you demand uh, pay plus you take her land. I said that's unfair. He said ... he just gave me a nasty uh remark and said consult your congressman. Well, I didn't know anything about calling the ... writing a congressman. AC 7800 But I intend to one day see how many other people had to pay for their par-, their ...

some relative's stay in uh ... I'm not done with it and you could cut that I'm sorry ...

Q: How did ... how did the uh, breakup of the family ...

stayed there with my mother they ... and they left, they would've all been back in touch.

Q: Let me talk about a happy time to you which is when you're at the McGuire's and you used to talk to ...

today and we saw this man, and he musta been you know ... " they'd tell about this man with this big hat and his red hair and his gold AC 8008 chain and these pants this wide and I ... you'd know I'd laugh, I'd say oh really you see ... I never told them that was my brother] ... ha ha ha but uh, yeah [Malcolm used to relate a whole lot of his experiences uh in New York and that was ... we ... you know, no television, no ra-, we ... that ... this was our treat for him to come by and sit on that stool and just tell his story ... tell his story.] And he never really seemed to bit his 8048 tongue because my foster mother, Mrs. McGuire uh, would listen to him. I don't care how bad the story was, Malcolm was gone tell it -- not with any bad language but if he did somethin' wrong, he would tell it. If he had ... whatever he had done, he would tell it. And she'd say, "Malcolm one thing I like about you, you never lie." 8071]] You know and AC 8073 uh, he got a big kick outta that.

Q: And how did you feel as ... as a younger sister looking at this brother and as his sister?

Q: You also mentioned a story he had about um jumping in the water ...

know he had his hair processed or conked, and so it was always this straight but he would AC 8155 go out with um the girls and sit on the beach and uh, you know he's gettin' his suntan 'cause he was light enough and uh, he'd get his suntan, and then he said, uh, he'd go in the water swimming and when he'd go in the water this hair would just straighten right ou-, you know straighten right out but he'd come up and sit on the beach a while and he said and his hair would just start sshhhhcchh schribber out -- he'd say, so he'd jump back 8189 in the water ... eh ... and let his hair get wet again and every time his hair would start to get dry, he'd have to jump back in the water uh, yeah -- he told some funny story. 8201]]

Q: Now how do you feel when Malcolm goes to jail? How do you hear about it -- that that happened?

Q: I'm sorry ...

Q: About when you heard it ...

to town, he was missed. And um, I remember AC 8296 being embarrassed about it but I handled that because while Malcolm was in prison, he crocheted a nice little bag ... he made jewelry boxes and he crocheted this nice little bag -- purse, and I carried that for a long time and I would go to work with it and they'd say "Yvonne, where did you get that?" I said, somebody made it for me. "Oh, really?" Yeah. So one time, a girl said I said, my brother made it. And she, "Your brother?" And I said, "Yeah it's a ... " "How did he?" I said, "Well he's in prison." 8342 And I said, and I said that and the girl laughed because she didn't believe me and this is the way I found that you deal with soothing. You tell the truth. It's outlandish it's now who's gone say their brother went to prison. I did. And they didn't believe me. 8368]]

Q: So why ... why was all your ... so many AC 8371 sisters and brothers in the Nation -- why don't you join?

Q: Why didn't it appeal to you?

I think I was a independent thinker and AC 8499 didn't want anybody to tell me what to do 8501]] ...

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Q: And is the Nation also things then which you don't agree with?

... I ... I would have had to live AC 8648 differently, um, they're ... they're ... it's Elijah Muhammad -- I had met Elijah Muhammad and as ... he didn't appeal to me -- what he was saying did not appeal to me.

Q: Now let me ask you um ... and I'm gone ask you this in the context of what the times were like -- you mentioned that you ... during the (unintel) times uh ... did not really acknowledge Malcolm as your brother and I'm wondering what your world in relationships are -- work -- personal friendship -- whatever -- that made that acknowledgment so hard? And what were the times like? Why was that ... why was that hard?

Q: Why ... why was it hard to acknowledge that Malcolm's your brother?

Q: You need to start with ...

TWO -- TWO ...

Q: Why was it difficult to acknowledge?

Malcolm, Ma-, Malcolm was different. Uh, I probably ... King was the man on the scene in AC 8832 those days. It was the Struggle -- it was the Civil Rights Struggle -- Malcolm was saying something entirely different.] I listened to people in organizations that I belonged to, um, not Malcolm -- not you know ... they would talk about that Malcolm X, you heard what he had to say. And I decided the best thing for me to do was not let them know that Malcolm was my brother. 8866]] Um, because I learned what they really felt. If they knew, 8875 they would say what they thought I wanted to hear. And Malcolm and I discussed this. He asked me -- he used to wane meet, when he'd come to town, he'd say Vonnie let me talk to some o' your friends. I'd say no way Malcolm -- no way. But I explained to him and we talked about it and I told him why. And he agreed. He fe-, that that was the best way to handle it. I said, I learned a lot. But see I was beginning to kind o' listen to what AC 8911 Malcolm was saying and I was feeling it. And understanding what he meant when I'd say, "How could you say some of the things you're

saying?" He'd say, "Vonnie, I want you to know, I'm not talking about ... I say 'cause AC 8929 you know I have some white friends -- they're not my friends 'cause they're white, they're just my friends because they're ... " OK, he'd say "Vonnie, I'm not talking about your friends, I'm talking about the system." He said ... in life you name anybody that has done anything to you, anybody's that's turned ... that affected your life and tell me who they were? What color were they? And he said, I'm not talking about a color. I'm talking about the system and the system so happens to be controlled by ... And ...[[8974 and 8974 I'd listen. [He did make me think. I may not have joined the Muslims but when Malcolm would come around and make a point, he would ... I would think of many instances that when um, he left, he left me a little on-edge because he upset my little, comfortable little world. 9004] My ... you know my comfortable little Christian world up]-- I'm raising my children up through church and how can I AC 9015 begin to uh turn their, change them I ... I couldn't do that. I couldn't ... one thing

he said ... you know ... but Malcolm was a AC 9028 great joker. [[9030 He never ... he did not try to um ... uh, he didn't try to change me. He didn't preach to me I should say but he'd say, "Vonnie" and just make a point you know. Um, and ... and [I would look at him and listen and he had not said, "Don't do that." He'd made a point that made me think and that's the way Malcolm did his training. That's the way Malcolm got me to think about the things that I had always done all my life 9073 without questioning. He made me question them and it made me uncomfortable. 9084]]

Q: Talk about the funny story in Grand Rapids when you'd go to see him ...

were my friends, the ones I let know he was my brother -- few -- two couples, OK. Um, and um, it was all ... as they ... as people AC 9129 were going to shake his hand at the end of speech um, I walked up and he got this broad grin on his face and I shouldn't have known as Devilish as he was ... I ... I went to shake his hand and he shook my hand and he pulled me cro-, close to him and gave me a big hug and said, and ... and leaned to the mike and said, "Hey everybody, this is my baby sister." So after that a lot of people knew. And uh, they could not understand why I would not you know go out and shout that this was ... I wanted to 'cause I was proud of him. I wanted to but I couldn't. I had 9181 to be very ... very private about it.

Q: I'm going to uh ... go to the last question ... (unintel)

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Q: How do you ...

time of the bombing, did not see him, did not see him again. 9333]]

Q: And how did you find out about his death?

Q: (unintel)

but I didn't uh, by the time ... well we ... I just stayed right by the television back and forth ... but i-, it's almost like I went numb and um, and I didn't hear. I heard them AC 9440 say but I never really watched to see him lying on the stage. 9445]] Um, interesting thing happened -- I knew -- OK, we went to New York -- the funera-, we went to ... we ... I called and talked to Betty and uh, I told her we were gone come to that I was coming -- well five of went to New York and uh, I saw Malcolm but see it was a ... there was so much intrigue and we knew that what the 9474 television was saying, and what actually happened in New York was two different things -- we saw it ... but [[9482 we went to the funeral home and they would not ... naturally I broke down but um they would not let me stop. You know I would not ... I could not sit down or anything. My family took ahold of me and we went out. I saw him that one time. But when I looked at him. That was not Malcolm. And out AC 9510 from that point on, Malcolm wasn't dead. 9515]] Malcolm was ... OK ...

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at home and uh it was a sad sad thousands of AD 0154 miles to me. 0160]]

Q: How did you feel seeing him there?

Malcolm saying "Yvonne ... Vonnie, I am coming to you" or "I'm on way." And um, I AD 0248... that feeling would come over me some time. And it was almost like I'd have to say, then I would say he's not you know ... he's not coming. Um, but he does come. 0269]]

Q: Where is your family as a family, as kind of (unintel)

care to be associated. It was like you know, AD 0360 I didn't associate with Malcolm. Uh, which wasn't true. I associated in private but I didn't go out and tell the world. Uh, anyway ... um, that was not the time for any of Malcolm's family to speak out to me. 0387]]

Q: (Unintel)

which I could not go, I was just ... I was ... a few of the people uh, came and talked to ... well, no one did at first, the boss AD 0461 called me in her office and said, "I want you to know that people are gone say some a lot of things to you ... they're..." I said, that's all right, let them. i said, I never talked about him before and I don't intend to now. And I said, and don't think because I didn't talk about it that uh, I was not crazy about him or didn't admire him because I did. I said but it wasn't for him .. it wasn't something that I wished to ... 0499 to discuss here. Uh, I would like my privacy. I said but don't worry I'm ready for anybody who says anything to me and no one ever said anything. A couple of good friends o' mine and I felt quite bad for one who uh ... really had been a friend ... if something happened, she was right there. If ... if she had a problem, I was right there, and she did not know how to handle it because as close as we were, talked about our AD 0538 children, everything -- we knew intimate secrets about each other, I never told her

that and she could not figure out why I and she came ... and I said, well ... after about AD 0554 a week of walking past each other, I finally said, "Sandy, I think we need to talk." And said, "Yvonne," she said, "I thought that you felt the same way he did about white people and you really didn't like me, you were puttin' on a front." I said, "Sandy, you know me better than that." And we talked about it and it was just dropped. We just talked about. Well ... well quite a while later, she said, "Yvonne, I didn't tell you something, I went and got that book. She 0595 said I bought that autobiography and I read it. She said and I really could not she said I though he hated white people" but she said, "I learned." She said, "At first I didn't like the book" and she said, "But I hung with it and I read it" and she said, "what ... "she said he was great. She said he was great! And as she told me that, there was like tears in her eyes. She said he was great! And she said but I can understand why AD 0632 you didn't say anything. I said, thank you. And we're still friends today.

Q: Now tell me in terms of ... of ... and ... I think about the unifying ... the moment of unification in the family when you finally get your mother out ...

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Q: Can you talk about Malcolm um, saying that he'd like to make a phone call and what that ...

I give this speech tonight and I said well, uh, why don't you go upstairs and he said, AD 0721 Yeah" then he changed his mind -- it was like he was doing three things at once and he said, I've gotta make some phone calls Vonnie. He said, you have no idea ... you have no idea who I'm gone be calling ... who I have to call. And then it seemed like he just like stopped like he was overwhelmed and he didn't say who it was that he was going to call but these were foreign calls and I think it was like Nasser and uh whatever, uh, and uh, he just like stopped dead in his tracks 0767 and said you have no idea, like he could not believe that he got ... you know that he ha-, was now who he was -- that he had gotten so big because he seemed shy that he uh had that he knew these people and knew 'em you know talking to these people. OK, and so before ... then he came back to his ... and was telling me about the book he was gone write. [[0803 He said you know I'm writing this book and I don't really know about doing this AD 0810 book and he had some concerns. He had some concerns about the family, the story that he

was going to tell and the family having to live with what he said. Um, he had some AD 0828 problems with it. And so as he kind of told me what he was doing and that he had some problems with the family having to uh, uh, be subjected to what ... the things that he would say, I'd say, Malcolm, you know what ... none of us are gone ever amount to anything until we get our mother out of Kalamazoo. It had preyed on my mind for years, and I didn't talk about it but it was eating away and he looked at me like, I'm 0875 glad you said that 'cause it's been bothering me too. And he said, "Vonnie, promise, I'll do something." And the next thing, Malcolm never got back to me -- the next thing I knew I got a call, my mother was in Lansing at my brother Philbert's. 0902]] And we went to see and uh ... um, Malcolm was ... I don't know how many times Malcolm got to visit her before he was killed. I don't think many because um, I don't think it was many uh, but it was a joyous time. And uh, and unbelievable that AD 0937 uh, after all those years and he ... he mentioned this in the autobiography to Alex

... uh, he told the story ... he ... that ... AD 0948 and Malcolm was a changed man when he came back and Alex interviewed him and he said that it wasn't his doing, it was you know my ... Philbert took her ... she went to Philbert's home and it was ... and it was ...and she was very happy to be there uh, ...

Q: You said something that the family really coming together to (unintel)

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Q: OK, um, tell me what him and Phil ...

Q: And how about Montgomery ...

years before but for that woman that day to AD 1123 do it, this is what it was gone take. Uh, somebody has to take a stand and stop this stuff.

Q: How about watching what the kids go through to walk-, that're trying to get into school?

Q: And what about Birmingham in terms of first the bombing of the church and then AD 1189 seeing those hose(?) (unintel) those demonstrators.

Q: And how did you feel watching the bodies for example coming out of that ... the Birmingham church with the small little girl?

men look how long afterwards before anything was really done. Um, Malcolm had a lot to AD 1314 say about those days and he got down to the nitty gritty and when he talked about the things that we allow. You know I have to agree with Malcolm um, and that uh, I had there Malcolm and I certainly ... he .. he got my interest and he was ... he was right.

Q: And ... and that's specifically in terms of the the nonviolent approach?

Q: And how about the March on Washington?

Q: What did he say?

[I can say about Malcolm any time he told us something, he could back it up. He had a AD 1503 article and he brought this ... he said, I'm gone tell you, I know what I'm talking about. He says, a article from, and I don't whether ... paper it was "New York Times" or whatever, it says, "Who Pay the Bills for Civil Rights?" And the ar-, it said the angels are white and what he went on to say was, you fight your ... you have to fight your battles and it started in the street but 1539 once you start fightin' your battles in the street and you let them become integrated, you lose ... it gets cooled and then he relates it to a cup of coffee, that it's hot and as soon as you water it ... put the milk in it it cools down. And these alan-, analogies Malcolm used sometimes were funny but they got home. They hit home 1568]] but I was devastated over what he had to say about the March on Washington 'cause I can remember watching that ... that day and being so proud. And I still didn't believe that. I AD 1581 didn't .. I ...[[1583 when Malcolm to us somethin' I didn't say I believed it but usually I

found that Malcolm was right. 1593]] When he came and told me about Beethoven being black, I AD 1596 thought no, he's not ... and I got my diction-, my un Encyclopedia Brinan, Britanica -- paid all this money so my kids, children could get good education, right?] I looked in there and it said, "Beethoven, born of a German mother, said all positive things about her, father was a drunkard." And I said, well this is strange, "Why don't they mention his nationality?" I found out ... went to another book that I got and 1646 Beethoven's father was black.

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Q: What did ... what meaning do you think Malcolm has for us today?

Mecca he came back saying people, human. OK, AD 1693 I think Malcolm wants us not to sit back and be um, pleased for little gains but he wants us to get in there and get something and economically we have to sh-, we had to show some gain. Um, he wants us to uh ... you can. get ... people are now fighting for names of streets. OK, don't name streets uh, and buildings after in-, after great black men, get a ... get learning centers. Get something positive you know this this is what I think Malcolm ... some of the things 1747 he would do. Uh, he would definitely be at this ... down in the street level, trying to um um work with the ... the uh ... for the ... with ... get the drugs out of the way 'cause that was one of the thing that he was gone do. He was gone clean up the drugs. Uh, he was gone clean up the streets. He was going to be education for young black ... AD 1780 young people and um ... uh ...

Q: What did he do back then that has meaning for us today?

talked about supporting your own you know um ... owning your own businesses. Sup-, having ... owning the businesses in your community. I can relate to that. Supporting your AD 1939 business in your community. Our dollars ... dollars spent in the community, stay in that community two days, is that. right? When you bring your money in and take it out and spend it elsewhere, you never see tnose dollars again, and uh, when you when you spend your money in you co-, your community, you control your community. This is true. I see AD 1976 this happening where I am right now.